WHO Poll
Q: 2023/24 Hopes & aspirations for this season
a. As Champions of Europe there's no reason we shouldn't be pushing for a top 7 spot & a run in the Cups
24%
  
b. Last season was a trophy winning one and there's only one way to go after that, I expect a dull mid table bore fest of a season
17%
  
c. Buy some f***ing players or we're in a battle to stay up & that's as good as it gets
18%
  
d. Moyes out
38%
  
e. New season you say, woohoo time to get the new kit and wear it it to the pub for all the big games, the wags down there call me Mr West Ham
3%
  



Athletico Easthamico 11:47 Wed Jun 10
Charlton Supporters Trust; view on West Ham’s Move in our Direction re OS move.
CAS Trust Member Paul Breen and author of "The Charlton Men" offers his view on West Ham's move to the Olympic Stadium...

As a child growing up in Ireland, I always had a passing interest in how West Ham were getting on since my cousin, from Mayo, lived in Camden and supported them, because he was a fan of the underdog. Back then, in the late 70s and early 80s, West Ham United found themselves in the role of underdog, as they battled for promotion from the second division and beat Arsenal, against the odds, in the 1980 FA Cup final.

Those were interesting times when the likes of Trevor Brooking, Billy Bonds, and Alan Devonshire could play in the second tier of the English League, and there was nothing that unnatural about it.

These days I can’t imagine too many English internationals who’d be glad to ply their trade in the championship, no matter how much of a love they professed for their ‘local’ club.

Coming to live in Charlton and then following CAFC, it was interesting too that most of our fans don’t see West Ham as rivals, thanks to how they helped us out during exile from The Valley. Unlike Crystal Palace who screwed us over, and kicked us when we were down, West Ham held out a helping hand.

For that, you can almost find yourself grudgingly forgiving them their tendency to poach some of our best young players down through the decades – Billy Bonds, Jermaine Defoe, Diego Poyet.

But the times have changed since 1980, and even 1992, and they’re about to change even more in coming decades as West Ham move ever closer to residing in The Olympic Stadium.

Again it’s a place that most of us associate with positives thanks to the feelgood factor of the Olympic games and gold medal successes, but also a place that casts a shadow of uncertainty across the once-steadfast dividing line of the Thames.

West Ham is on the verge of potentially becoming a very big club, and I hope that the management and marketing folks behind the scenes at Charlton are ready to deal with the impact and consequences of that. Even though I am writing about this only now, it is an issue I have weighed up for quite a while.

I know that the Trust have also been thinking about this, and are active in highlighting potential issues. We do seem to be one of very few London clubs who realise what this could all mean for us.

Last week I was chatting to a West Ham fan that I work with, a university teacher of Business and Management, and he gave me an insight into the excitement the Hammers’ supporters are feeling at the present time. They have just got rid of a manager who kept them afloat in the division but played some uninspiring football. They have now brought in Slaven Bilić and if he gets them playing attractive football, and solidifies their position in the Premier League, they are then in pretty good shape on the playing side for when they move into the Olympic stadium, making them an attractive proposition for supporters, new and lapsed.

Right now, just as Charlton depend on our support base in Kent, West Ham depend heavily on a support base in Essex. However, the Olympic stadium is going to give them the opportunity to reach out and attract new fans from that 5 mile radius of Stratford, along all sides and bends of the River Thames that might once have been seen as clearly demarcated in its sense of football loyalties. That drive to attract supporters has already started. Take a look at The Evening Standard in the new season, much as we might dislike some of its views, and you will likely see the same type of adverts as have been used increasingly by West Ham over the past couple of years. They are putting in full page colour adverts offering discounts for kids, families, and casual supporters to attend Cup matches and so on. At other times they will have adverts that are designed to specifically appeal to the corporate supporter to come and sample their match day hospitality. I know for a fact that they are also increasingly giving away tickets for such hospitality, or offering deals at reduced prices, all in a drive to attract new fans.

According to my work colleague this is about getting a stronger support base so that when they move to the Olympic stadium, they become a more attractive option for investors.

He believes that Karen Brady right now has goals in mind to make West Ham London’s biggest club, after Arsenal and Chelsea, and that if they can get investment they can become as stable for the long-term as Arsenal, not reliant on one key funder for revenue.

This could put them up there in the top five or six clubs in the country for the next couple of decades, and that’s where the situation becomes relevant to Charlton. If for example our owners were considering a long-term aim of prioritising the London fan base over the Kentish one, then they are going to face quite a fight. Secondly, the Charlton fan base and the fan base of clubs in general in England is getting older, as is widely acknowledged, even though the younger generation also love their football.

That younger fan base is constantly exposed to coverage of the Premier League and as one of my students said last term when I said that I was a Charlton supporter – “it’s not football if it’s not happening in the Premier League.” With this kind of attitude, clubs that market themselves as Premier League are always going to have an advantage. Increasingly too, there’s going to be a demand for clubs to reduce their ticket prices so as to fill the stadiums and make the spectacle more appealing to the overseas markets.

So the message here is that as supporters we have got to be conscious of what is around the corner in terms of West Ham moving into the Olympic Stadium. There is a danger that we may feel powerless about it but, as CAS Trust has shown HERE, there are a number of avenues we can still explore. Meanwhile we can keep promoting the good name of Charlton, and hope that our team remains an attractive enough proposition on the field and off to keep West Ham’s support base firmly on the other side of the Thames Estuary.

But they are out there hovering on the edges of better possibilities, and becoming more attractive to investors the closer they get to taking up tenancy of their new home. I don’t begrudge them their new found fortunes but just hope we get the chance to go there and beat them in their new backyard as soon as possible!

Paul Breen – follow me on Twitter @CharltonMen

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Pop Robson 12:50 Fri Jun 12
Re: Charlton Supporters Trust; view on West Ham’s Move in our Direction re OS move.
Big Ground = Big Club


As for the Ads in the Standard and talksport, we was struggle to sell out even the kids for a £1 games

No one gonna rush from Kent unless there a tourist staying there as Its cheaper than in town !

Olympic Stadium = Tourists

Gavros 10:52 Thu Jun 11
Re: Charlton Supporters Trust; view on West Ham’s Move in our Direction re OS move.
You have to be either thick or really bitter to spin the line that the move will impoverish the club. The more nuanced argent is to fret over what the club will become with its new riches

62Hammer 10:37 Thu Jun 11
Re: Charlton Supporters Trust; view on West Ham’s Move in our Direction re OS move.
Nothing to get upset about here. It's a perfectly fair article with some good points and no malice towards West Ham whatsoever. Just the opposite, in fact.
I wish I was as confident as he is that things are going to go that well for us.

Eerie Descent 9:42 Thu Jun 11
Re: Charlton Supporters Trust; view on West Ham’s Move in our Direction re OS move.
Far Cough 5:27 Thu Jun 11

jakehammer 9:39 Thu Jun 11
Re: Charlton Supporters Trust; view on West Ham’s Move in our Direction re OS move.
have to say that I've got a soft spot for Charlton.those poor buggers, they've been through some shit in their time.
I understand where paul breen is coming from regarding local support etc, because when I was a nipper I was told in no uncertain terms that I was west ham. that's how it was 60 odd years ago.


as for that twat of a kid in the classroom, with his stupid premier ideas, well he needs a bleedin slap.

Far Cough 5:27 Thu Jun 11
Re: Charlton Supporters Trust; view on West Ham’s Move in our Direction re OS move.
Millwall don't give a fuck, never have, that's why I have a grudging respect for them

Mr Polite 5:23 Thu Jun 11
Re: Charlton Supporters Trust; view on West Ham’s Move in our Direction re OS move.
Paul Breen = dicksie3

REALGSA 4:26 Thu Jun 11
Re: Charlton Supporters Trust; view on West Ham’s Move in our Direction re OS move.
Charlton are a League 1, championship team with an odd premier league blip maybe, thats it.

REALGSA 4:22 Thu Jun 11
Re: Charlton Supporters Trust; view on West Ham’s Move in our Direction re OS move.
We are gonna fuck everyone up in London once we get in the Olympic Stadium

No season tickets available on the lower tiers in any stand online....

Gavros 3:58 Thu Jun 11
Re: Charlton Supporters Trust; view on West Ham’s Move in our Direction re OS move.
Love the inconsistencies

"They're going to steal our local fan base" says charlton fan from Ireland

"They're getting the deal of the century" while in the same breath complaining that thy have no idea what the deal is.

With Charlton and Orient behaving like this (and Spurs) you have to have some respect for Millwalls silence on the subject. After all a significant part of their fan base is as close or closer to Stratford as anyone else's.

Lewisham_Hammer 3:28 Thu Jun 11
Re: Charlton Supporters Trust; view on West Ham’s Move in our Direction re OS move.
A decent article and I can understand where he's coming from but a few things here:

1) As has been mentioned in the early 2000's Charlton were busing fans in from the Medway Towns potentially effecting Gillingham's following in particular.

2) With there being a lack of top flight football in Kent there is a right mish mash of fan bases in the area but I've always noticed that Arsenal (probably to do with their South London links) have always had a big South London and Kent following. So why are they not worried about the other teams fan bases increasing in the area.

3) On a more local scale, Charlton round these parts after their promotion to the Premiership were advertising everywhere including bus shelters to "come and watch Henry, Berkamp, Beckham and co" NOT their own players! Millwall could have a case to say they're potentially stealing their future fanbase.

You can't restrict this, its one of nature's things - It's up to the individual who they support as a child particularly if they do not have parents in to football or sports.

Basically.....(does massive wanker sign).

jools268 3:26 Thu Jun 11
Re: Charlton Supporters Trust; view on West Ham’s Move in our Direction re OS move.
Nothing against Charlton at all and this was a good piece by a concerned fan.
If only Orient fans had a little bit of this class, but I suppose with a cunt like Hearn at the helm of their ship what chance did they have?

Grumpster 3:21 Thu Jun 11
Re: Charlton Supporters Trust; view on West Ham’s Move in our Direction re OS move.
Decent well written read that.

Started off thinking it may be a veiled attack, but was nothing of the sort.

As for the kid in the classroom who thinks football isn't football if it's not in the premier league, what a glory hunting little cunt and I bet he's Chelsea!

pdbis 3:13 Thu Jun 11
Re: Charlton Supporters Trust; view on West Ham’s Move in our Direction re OS move.
Will be Sheffield Utd next.

Dapablo 3:02 Thu Jun 11
Re: Charlton Supporters Trust; view on West Ham’s Move in our Direction re OS move.
In our local village there was a petition going round to stop the "Co-Op" opening shop becasue it might affect the local Spar.

Tis life in a free market economy!

Lily Hammer 10:42 Thu Jun 11
Re: Charlton Supporters Trust; view on West Ham’s Move in our Direction re OS move.
stewie

So you actaully read it as well. Most read the title and dislocated their knees before even reaching the final full stop.

stewie griffin 10:37 Thu Jun 11
Re: Charlton Supporters Trust; view on West Ham’s Move in our Direction re OS move.
Nice piece that. Lacking in jealousy and bitterness and talks about what HIS club need to do to keep themselves relevant rather than crying about what everyone else is doing.

Hooknoses, take note.

Eggbert Nobacon 10:28 Thu Jun 11
Re: Charlton Supporters Trust; view on West Ham’s Move in our Direction re OS move.
Huffers

I would say my part of Kent is a fairly even split between -

Us, Spurs, Arsenal, Liverpool and United

young woody 10:13 Thu Jun 11
Re: Charlton Supporters Trust; view on West Ham’s Move in our Direction re OS move.
I call him Poyet.

Eddie B 10:09 Thu Jun 11
Re: Charlton Supporters Trust; view on West Ham’s Move in our Direction re OS move.
All Charlton fans are 'nice blokes'. They're that sort of club.

Gavros 9:57 Thu Jun 11
Re: Charlton Supporters Trust; view on West Ham’s Move in our Direction re OS move.
Is he a cat?

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